What do you mean by real easy? We have a catchy slogan, the facts,
now we need to go viral. It could be done if we made it happen....
Donna
On Dec 6, 2010, at 5:15 PM, Susan Temere wrote:
> Thanks for your answer. I was hoping it would be real easy so as to
> organize a state-wide boycott to educate all Iowans on doing just
> this.
> Susan
> --- On Mon, 12/6/10, William Witt <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> From: William Witt <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: I always thought an "environmental lawyer" worked for
> the environment...
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Monday, December 6, 2010, 9:50 AM
>
> Dear Susan,
>
> For starters, check for "Buy Fresh, Buy Local" signs and logo in
> your market's meat and produce sections. Dig deeper and look for
> "Certified Organic" and "Locally Produced" labels on the products.
>
> The "Buy Fresh, Buy Local" program originated at UNI's Center for
> Energy and Environmental Education (CEEE); it's now statewide.
> Check their website for a list of participating stores and producers
> in your area.
>
> Bill Witt
>
> On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Susan Temere <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> How do we know which ones are CAFO eggs or ham? I'll gladly
> participate in such a boycott. This is a great answer to the problem.
> Susan
>
> --- On Sun, 12/5/10, Wally Taylor <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> From: Wally Taylor <[log in to unmask]>
>
> Subject: Re: I always thought an "environmental lawyer" worked for
> the environment...
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Sunday, December 5, 2010, 10:30 AM
>
>
> "Would you eat CAFO eggs and ham? I would not eat them Sam-I-Am."
> Sorry. I've been reading "Green Eggs and Ham" to my grandchildren.
>
> Wally Taylor
> "Iowans boycott CAFO ham and eggs."
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Donna Buell <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Sun, Dec 5, 2010 7:04 am
> Subject: Re: I always thought an "environmental lawyer" worked for
> the environment...
>
> I didn't realize there had been vandalism in NE Iowa, Susan. I
> wasn't suggesting crimes against others or against property. I was
> thinking more of cash register-kind of civil disobedience.
> Disobeying the command to be a passive consumer rather than a
> participating citizen.
>
> "Iowans boycott CAFO ham and eggs."
>
> "Iowans against high fructose corn syrup."
>
> Personally, I never put ethanol in my car. And I feel good at the
> pump every single time. (And I drive a car that gets 38mpg, etc.)
>
> It is time to move Beyond Corn. And consumer demand may be our best
> (only?) weapon. Although we may have an ally in the Tea Party if we
> can somehow kill the ethanol, oil and coal subsidies all in one
> swoop....
>
> Donna
>
>
>
> On Dec 4, 2010, at 9:26 PM, Norm West wrote:
>
>>
>> Am not sure how far we'd get with civil disobedience, but causing a
>> big enough ruckus over the pollution/environmental destruction
>> that's going on to keep it in the headlines of all the media seems
>> the only way wrongs get corrected in this country, or any other
>> country for that matter. As many bad points as there are to CAFOs,
>> don't think vandalism that's been going on up here in NE Iowa does
>> anything except keep public sympathy on the side of the CAFOs.
>> Plus there's always the risk that the vandalism will result in
>> increased suffering of the animals in the CAFOs. Certainly no
>> quick nor simple answer to getting the public on the environment's
>> side instead of focused on more and more consumerism. As some
>> famous military figure has often been quoted, "Attack, attack,
>> attack is the best defense". Susan West
>>
>>
>> On Dec 4, 2010, at 5:43 PM, Donna Buell wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, agreed. Both parties are far more beholden to Big Ag than to
>>> the common resources of the people.
>>>
>>> Is it time for more civil disobedience?
>>>
>>> Donna
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 4, 2010, at 5:38 PM, Norm West wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Be interesting to ask Mr. Petty WHERE he saw the studies and what
>>>> qualifications he has to analyze the data and have a different
>>>> conclustion than the researchers! As you mentioned, whatever he
>>>> got was probably spoon-fed to him from Farm Bureau. Doesn't seem
>>>> to matter which party is in power at the State House or White
>>>> House neither party is very serious about protecting our
>>>> environment. Sad. Susan West
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 4, 2010, at 4:08 PM, Wally Taylor wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Regarding the Chesapeake Bay, I was at a recent EPC meeting
>>>>> when, during a break, Dave Petty, one of the EPC members, came
>>>>> over to where Ed Tormey and Randy Clark (DNR lawyers) and I were
>>>>> standing. He started talking about the "damn environmentalists"
>>>>> who were blaming CAFOs (chickens in that case) for the pollution
>>>>> of the Bay. He claimed it was the increasing human population
>>>>> around the Bay that was causing the problem. I said I doubted
>>>>> that since human waste is treated before it is discharged;
>>>>> animal waste is not. He claimed he had seen the studies. He
>>>>> probably saw the information Farm Bureau gave him. And this is a
>>>>> member of the EPC appointed by Vilsack and reappointed by Culver
>>>>> (or Patty Judge).
>>>>>
>>>>> Wally Taylor
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Chesapeake pollution issues are NOT driven by computer
>>>>> modeling, but by
>>>>> direct measurement of pollutants and absence of normal lifeforms.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Searles, Leland <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>> Sent: Sat, Dec 4, 2010 2:16 pm
>>>>> Subject: Re: I always thought an "environmental lawyer" worked
>>>>> for the environment...
>>>>>
>>>>> This line from the attorney, Bodine, contains a grotesque
>>>>> oversimplification.
>>>>> It's the kind of junky statement that I expect from such a
>>>>> meeting and the
>>>>> hand-picked presenters it has:
>>>>>
>>>>> "are just a few examples of issues driven by 'computer modeling
>>>>> and inaccurate
>>>>> assumptions.' "
>>>>>
>>>>> The Chesapeake pollution issues are NOT driven by computer
>>>>> modeling, but by
>>>>> direct measurement of pollutants and absence of normal
>>>>> lifeforms. Some of the
>>>>> Iowa rules (antidegradation is mentioned) are based on citizen
>>>>> and professional
>>>>> testing of water quality, not least of which occurs at major
>>>>> municipal drinking
>>>>> water facilities.
>>>>>
>>>>> Modeling is made necessary in many cases by absence of better
>>>>> data. I work with
>>>>> the DNR Air Quality Bureau, and they have a rank order list of
>>>>> preferred forms
>>>>> of data for issuing air permits to facilities. Stack testing,
>>>>> followed by
>>>>> modeling, is second, and it is driven by knowledge of industrial
>>>>> through-put and
>>>>> stack measurements of pollutants. Pure modeling is well down the
>>>>> list. The
>>>>> speaker distorts the situation in Iowa, if not in other states,
>>>>> and
>>>>> misrepresents the guidance from EPA on how to establish levels
>>>>> of pollution in
>>>>> air and water. This is what counts as "sound science" - highly
>>>>> biased
>>>>> misrepresentations of the realities of what regulatory agencies
>>>>> actually do,
>>>>> often in cooperation with the regulated agencies, various
>>>>> organizations, and
>>>>> citizen volunteers.
>>>>>
>>>>> If the evidence of agricultural contributions to air pollution
>>>>> and greenhouse
>>>>> gases wasn't already clear enough five to ten years ago, the
>>>>> research that has
>>>>> been done in the last year or two puts the icing on the cake,
>>>>> that agricultural
>>>>> air and water (including, importantly, so-called nonpoint
>>>>> sources) emissions of
>>>>> pollution and agricultural releases of methane and other
>>>>> greenhouse gases are
>>>>> significant. While many farm organizations prefer voluntary
>>>>> adoption of control
>>>>> techniques, rather than legislated or regulated approaches, the
>>>>> evidence also is
>>>>> clear that voluntary programs to reduce air toxics (ammonia,
>>>>> hydrogen sulfide)
>>>>> and nutrients in surface waterways ARE NOT SUFFICIENT.
>>>>>
>>>>> Most environmental lawyers do go where the money is, I think, as
>>>>> Wally Taylor
>>>>> noted. I've been in the room trying to hammer out policy
>>>>> recommendations with
>>>>> corporate lawyers, and they do their jobs very well: obstruct,
>>>>> hinder, stall,
>>>>> make sideways accusations and implications, etc. It's too bad
>>>>> that corporations
>>>>> aren't more interested in accuracy and truth. But then American
>>>>> culture,
>>>>> economics, and politics are based on self-interest, not ethical
>>>>> responsibilities. Mission statements are often subterfuges,
>>>>> pretty language and
>>>>> little more. A musician/poet once describe such stuff as
>>>>> "antimatter language
>>>>> designed to conceal."
>>>>>
>>>>> Lee Searles
>>>>> Air Quality Program
>>>>> Iowa Environmental Council
>>>>> Des Moines
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Iowa Discussion, Alerts and Announcements on behalf of
>>>>> Cindy Hildebrand
>>>>> Sent: Fri 12/3/2010 10:06 PM
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>> Subject: I always thought an "environmental lawyer" worked for the
>>>>> environment...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ...but after reading the last paragraph in the article below, I
>>>>> see I was
>>>>> mistaken.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.ifbf.org/article.aspx?articleID=21494
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hildebrand
>>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>> Ames, IA 50010
>>>>>
>>>>> "Flood control dams have no relation to the cause of floods.
>>>>> Check dams and
>>>>> terraces do not touch the cause of erosion...The practices we
>>>>> now call
>>>>> conservation are, to a large extent, local alleviations of
>>>>> biotic pain. They are
>>>>> necessary, but they must not be confused with cures." (Aldo
>>>>> Leopold)
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