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Education will not change the frame.
Repetition will not change the frame.
I ponder this - seems only an acute crisis will change the frame.
$5 a gallon gasoline started to change the frame but then it went back 
to normal.
By truncating the economic clasp of 08 by bailing out Wall Street etc. 
the change mechanism became muted so we are caught in this maze without 
the change that is called for
Possibly if we would have had a total collapse change could be 
considered - like the end of unbridled capitalism.
Oh yes, evolution - it is emotional - a threat to one's being - address 
the emotion not the intellect.

On 10/21/2010 7:27 PM, Orlando Schwartz wrote:
> Having tried for years to teach evolution to an audience with many 
> disbelievers, I wondered how you change the minds of those so beyond 
> logic and reason.  I have yet to find an answer.  I read George 
> Lakoff's book, Don't think of an elephant.  He said that people have 
> mental "frames" that get imprinted on our brain from our upbringing 
> and from constant repetition.  When a frame in implanted, mountains of 
> facts and logic will not sway people.  Worse, they will accept 
> anything that fits the frame, even if it is wrong or illogical.  The 
> religious beliefs of many are nearly immutable frames.
>
> You might have heard the country song, "You gotta stand for something 
> or you'll fall for anything."  Really, its the other way around.  If 
> you stand for a frame you will fall for anything.
>
> I think the Republican propaganda machine is very good at implanting 
> and reinforcing frames.  The whole party gets emails with talking 
> points and everyone says nearly the exact same words.  E. g. Tax and 
> spend liberal.  Wasteful spending...
>
> The only thing that might change a person's frame is constant 
> repetition of a contrary thought to build a frame.  I wish that 
> Democrats would all say the same thing.  Say it loud and say it often. 
> E. g.  Regan and Bush doubled the deficit.  Tax cuts do not pay for 
> themselves.
>
> Instead, for the last 2 years the propaganda floor has belonged nearly 
> 100% to the conservatives.  We have a tepid president that won't 
> answer them and seemingly other tepid Dems that also remain silent.  
> Dems have to propagandize the truth.  Lanny Schwartz
>
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