Changing thinking with a clever tag line:

 

 

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From: Ron McLinden <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Tue, Aug 20, 2013 5:44 pm
Subject: Re: BMW's Eco Superstar i3 is coming - range anxiety



 
"...if you need to drive at all."  Surely that's a tag-line we could all get behind.
 
 



From: Paul Scott <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: BMW's Eco Superstar i3 is coming - range anxiety



You would think so, but people who drive 20 miles per day have this "anxiety". It's pervasive. Part of why it's there at all is because GM, in their zeal to differentiate the Volt from the LEAF coined the phrase and hammered it home that "you have range anxiety and therefore you want a Volt". The media has been even worse, taking up the phrase and telling everyone that they have this malady. 


The Club should at least dispel this myth to its members and encourage them to drive an EV "if they need to drive at all".


Paul



On Aug 20, 2013, at 1:51 PM, John Holtzclaw wrote:



Anyone who gets range anxiety over an 80-100 mi range limit must be living in a way too inconvenient place, and could solve their anxiety by moving into a convenient community. Of course, then the danger is that they will soon conclude that they don't need a car at all.


John




On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Paul Scott <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Um... that's what I do all day every day.


It would help if The Club would be more proactive in this regard.


Paul


On Aug 20, 2013, at 10:23 AM, Ron McLinden wrote:




But they come to that realization only after they've actually purchased an EV.  How many people don't even consider an EV because of their range anxiety?  Broaden the market by debunking pre-purchase range anxiety.
  
 


From: Paul Scott <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: BMW's Eco Superstar i3 is coming - range anxiety



"People who have range anxiety should not be in the market for an EV." 


I strongly disagree. Most of my customers have this so-called range anxiety when they first get the LEAF, but within a week or two of driving it, they realize the 80-100 mile range is more than sufficient for their needs. The limited range also encourages folks to not take unneeded trips thereby reducing VMT.


The Volt drivers have an interesting malady they call "gas anxiety". They are so focused on not using any gas with their 40 mile all electric range that they keep extraneous driving to a minimum, and seek out opportunities for charging so they don't need to use gas at all. If you go to the Volt forums, you'll see people discussing this all the time.


Paul


On Aug 20, 2013, at 9:50 AM, Ron McLinden wrote:



Irvin writes, in part, "...In fact, with their limited range..."
 
The Sierra Club's role with respect to EV's should be to beat the drum for shorter commutes, thereby reducing the "range anxiety" of potential EV purchasers and increasing the market for such vehicles. People who have range anxiety should not be in the market for an EV.
 
  



From: Irvin Dawid <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: BMW's Eco Superstar i3 is coming



Matt, 
re:" the American cultural myth of the Open Road is losing its halo. The last thing I want is to do anything that will re-enable it. "
Do you really think that EVs re-enable it? I don't.


The BMW ad is just that.  But it's important to note that it is merely a "compliance car", that is, required in Calif if BMW wants to sell their ICE vehicles:
Electric Vehicles Are Money Losers, But That's Expected



Not every article posted on the listserv is of interest to everyone - that's why there is a delete key.


The key to reducing climate change - if not land use- impacts - in transportation are the 3 legs that Mike frequently refers to  - EVs can be found in one of them.  I don't think that EVs exacerbate the VMT-reduction leg.  In fact, with their limited range, one could make an argument that it complements it by making for a more urban vehicle than others.
 



Irvin Dawid
Burlingame, CA




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