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Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:41:21 -0600
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Re: [IOWA-NATIVE-PLANTS] female mountain lion in Iowa county!?!
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This is the old fear argument. Should we kill everything that causes 
fear? My wife is afraid of red wing black birds when they are nesting 
for they are very aggressive - diving at her.
The wolves keep Yellowstone in balance and I am not aware they have cost 
tens of million in dollars. Not sure the answer is to send people out to 
shoot Elk or whatever else Wolves clean up.
Some people just have to shoot things with out thought - like people 
hunting deer.


gerald neff wrote:
> Orlando, I'm just really glad you are not in charge.  Jerry Neff
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Orlando Schwartz" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 4:07:50 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: Re: [IOWA-NATIVE-PLANTS] female mountain lion in Iowa county!?!
>
> I agree somewhat with my friend Bill Witt.  I sometimes send a note to 
> this web site  in defense of hunting.  I think that if I were out 
> hunting deer and saw a mountain lion (which I know is legal game in 
> Iowa) I would likely shoot it.  Partly it would be my trophy.  Partly 
> because I really don't think we need them established in Iowa.  A few 
> years ago I recall the Sierra Club was promotion legal protection for 
> mountain lions in the statbe.  I said then and I would say now, keep 
> your verbal and written power dry and save them for something 
> important.  The public is afraid of mountain lions, with at least a bit 
> of reason  since we see attacks on human in other states.  The public 
> also knows that mountain lions do kill pets and livestock.   But mainly, 
> people are emotionally afraid of them.  This is a situation where the 
> public will think, what the H... is that wacko Sierra Club doing trying 
> to protect mountain lions.  S.C. defense of mountain lions will cost the 
> club a lot of public goodwill.  I agree with Bill that the DNR is too 
> mysterious about mountain lions in the state.
>
> But then, if I were in charge of things I don't think I would have 
> introduced the wolves into Yellowstone.  It has controlled the elk in 
> the park and helped restore the natural habitat.  But it has cost money 
> by the 10's of millions and it has cost so much to the cause of 
> conservation.  If people are emotional about mt. lions, that pales in 
> comparison to their emotions about wolves--it borders on superstitions.  
> You ought to read people's irrational comments about wolves in hunting 
> magazines such as Outdoor Life.   Again if I were in charge, I likely 
> would have controlled the elk in Yellowstone by allowing hunters to 
> harvest the surplus.  It would have had the same outcome and raised 
> money for the parks. 
>
> OK mountain lion lovers, commence firing.
> Lanny Schwartz
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