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Re: E.O. Wilson discusses population
From:
Bill Witt <[log in to unmask]>
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Iowa Discussion, Alerts and Announcements
Date:
Fri, 26 Sep 2008 12:10:09 -0500
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A million bucks each, eh?  Bush would probably demanded that all  
potential recipients be means-tested, so only people already  
experienced at spending millions would get the money.  Do otherwise,  
and you screw up the entire program of Trickle Down Economics.

Bill Witt


Quoting Pam Mackey-Taylor <[log in to unmask]>:

>
> There is a letter to the editor in the Cedar Rapids Gazette today that said
> that the government should give one million dollars to every citizen, to be
> used to pay off their house loans, pay bills, buy things, and   
> otherwise stimulate
> the economy.
>
> That would take care of the debt mess that Congress is trying to deal with,
> at a much lower costs than is being discussed, while helping stimulate the
> economy.   I think the population is around three hundred million.
>
> I thought that the letter writer had an interesting view of the issue.
>
> pam
>
> In a message dated 9/26/2008 9:46:40 AM Central Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> The fallacies run deeper than "growth" as the end-all of "prosperity."
> The billions being spent on hurricane recovery will register as
> positives to our GDP.  The millions Iowa farmers have spent on 900,000
> miles of drainage tile also show up as "growth."  The cleanup and
> reconstruction costs downstream are factored in as "growth."  Jack
> buys dynamite and blows up Joe's barn.  The added profit to the
> dynamite company is "growth."  The lumber yard's profit for lumber to
> rebuild the barn is "growth."
>
> For economic theorizing only slightly more sophisticated than this,
> Milton Friedman got a Nobel Prize.
>
>
> Bill Witt
>
>
> Quoting daryl andersen <[log in to unmask]>:
>
>> I agree with your comments. A really good read on this is The Last
>> Hours of Ancient Sunlight by Thom Hartmann. As he notes, The end of
>> oil will be a main factor in adjustment. The earth can sustainably
>> accommodate approx 1 billion people living somewhere between our
>> lifestyle and an indigenous lifestyle. Another great read is
>> Sustainable Operating Systems/ The Post  Petrol Paradigm by Michael
>> Richards.   If all else fails read Into The Wild by Jon Krakauer.
>> Daryl Andersen
>> On Sep 25, 2008, at 10:56 PM, Thomas Mathews wrote:
>>
>>> Cindy,
>>>
>>> You note that ". . . economic prosperity, as we currently define
>>> it, depends on growth."
>>>
>>> This summarizes the problem perfectly. Our mainstream economists
>>> define a healthy economy as being a growing economy. A recession is
>>>   defined as a cessation of economic growth.
>>>
>>> Yet it occurs even to bright middle school students that on a
>>> finite planet endless growth is impossible. But being an "adult"
>>> means denying this obvious fact.
>>>
>>> In an underdeveloped country, economic growth is needed just to
>>> provide enough for everyone. But in over-developed regions like the
>>>   US, growth serves mainly to provide more wealth for the already
>>> rich. And despite the events of the past two weeks, it is the rich
>>>  who run the country, including its media, and who keep alive the
>>> myth that growth equals prosperity.
>>>
>>> We clearly need a new economics, one which defines prosperity as
>>> sufficiency, not growth.
>>>
>>> Richard Douthwaite has written a very good book whose title
>>> summarizes these issues. (The Growth Illusion: How economic growth
>>>  has enriched the few, impoverished the many, and endangered the
>>> planet, New Society Publishers, 1992, 1999.)
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>>
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