Here are some points from the notes I took at this session: It is clear that producers feel they are under siege. There is talk of fly-over checks on phosphorus and nitrate. Producers don't know what is going to come at them in the form of regulations or fines and they tend to question whether the science behind them is sound. They are concerned about the role of federal agencies, private property rights and the proliferation of paperwork in programs that could assist them in taking steps to protect the environment. The NRCS terrace program, however, can be taken care of on the internet and that is convenient. The leader of this group, a woman in meat production, told us that if a thousand animals can be fed with the flick of a switch, it's going to happen. She said the technology has gotten ahead of science with these operations, and to this she attributes the problems that have caught the public's attention. A discussion followed: The consensus seemed to be that all consumers are interested in is cheap food. On the other hand, as one older farmer said, "Profitability is the name of the game." Someone suggested that consumers might be willing to pay more for their food if they knew that conservation practices were being followed, but there was no mention of tying this to the safety of the food supply itself. These producers do not seem to recognize the concern about the safety of food as a legitimate issue (the facilitator kept saying "Perception is the crucial factor"). There seemed to be total trust in the manufacturers, regulators and marketers of chemical control products. The prevailing opinion seemed to be that all chemicals on the market are safe if application instructions are followed. There is information about such chemicals at the ISU and NRCS websites if a user believes he needs to know more than his/her salesperson has to say about the product, and the relationship between the two is ordinarily one of cordiality and trust. Again the facilitator said "Technology gets ahead of the science." People will use it until they see a reason not to use it. One farmer spoke up and said that the EPA set standards for lead and the petroleum companies came up with ways to comply with them. He suggested that farmers could do the same if the EPA sets standards for phosphorus, etc. (Seems to me that the petroleum companies have a lot more funds and technical expertise to help them than farmers, individually or collectively would have.) One example of an environmental project that has been successful in bringing local people together to address local problems is the Raccoon River Project. In the hope that eventually we will have a cleaner environment, Peggy Murdock - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - For SC email list T-and-C, send: GET TERMS-AND-CONDITIONS.CURRENT to [log in to unmask]