Can you explain the difference between "meandered streams" and other navigable streams? --- Nate Hoogeveen <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Hi folks. If a farmer owns land on both sides of a > river, he or she is very securely within rights (and > neighborly expectations) to build any kind of > livestock fence across a river. The cables on the > Shell Rock just upstream from the Shell Rock River > Preserve have been there for years. You are very > likely within your rights to step onto their land to > portage over the obstruction while in the process of > making your way down a navigable stream. > > If there was a problem (i.e., portage was impossible > due to river bank topography, the cable could use a > marker ribbon, or the landowner scolded you), > contact > me, and one of the paddling groups can look into > working directly with the landowner to resolve the > issue in some way. For the most part, I hope > paddlers > and landowners can get along, and they usually do. I > a > tiny handful of cases, the landowners actually are > stubborn buffoons, but generally it's a mistake to > assume that they are. > > That's not the case with "meandered streams," on > which > the state owns banks to the ordinary high water mark > (generally, where permanent vegetations like shrubs > and trees begin). No one can put a fence across such > a > stream. > > Best regards, > Nate Hoogeveen > Author, Paddling Iowa > > --- Neila Seaman <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > I don't have this year's voting records, but Jane > > talked to Susan and I think she has/had them. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Charles > > Winterwood<mailto:[log in to unmask]> > > To: > > > [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> > > > > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 10:03 AM > > Subject: Re: cables crossing Shell Rock River > > > > > > Neila, > > There are similar cables and fences across the > > Upper > > Iowa River in Winnieshiek and Allamahkee > Counties. > > I testified to this fact at the local Governor's > > Water > > summit and asked why they can do this with > > navigable > > streams. > > I never head an answewr. > > > > Charlie Winterwood > > > > P.S. > > If I gave you(Neila) the voting records on tis > > years > > state legislation, can you get them to Jane. > > > > > > --- Neila Seaman > > <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> > > wrote: > > > > > I received a call the other day from David > Morud > > who > > > is a rafter up by Mason City. He told me that > > he's > > > rafted the Shell Rock River a couple of times > > this > > > summer. This past trip, he discovered that > > farmers > > > have stretched cables across the river in two > > places > > > and anchored one end of one cable in the > > limestone > > > on one side of the river. He says he called > the > > DNR > > > in Clear Lake who told him that farmers can > run > > > electrical fence across the river if they want > > to. > > > Morud tells me that he didn't see the cables > the > > > first time he rafted this year probably > because > > he > > > floated over them. > > > > > > Has anyone encountered this situation before? > > Does > > > anyone have a suggestion on who Morud could > call > > > besides the DNR in Clear Lake? Does he just > > have to > > > live with it? > > > > > > Your input is appreciated. 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