What do you mean by real easy? We have a catchy slogan, the facts, now we need to go viral. It could be done if we made it happen.... Donna On Dec 6, 2010, at 5:15 PM, Susan Temere wrote: > Thanks for your answer. I was hoping it would be real easy so as to > organize a state-wide boycott to educate all Iowans on doing just > this. > Susan > --- On Mon, 12/6/10, William Witt <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > From: William Witt <[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Re: I always thought an "environmental lawyer" worked for > the environment... > To: [log in to unmask] > Date: Monday, December 6, 2010, 9:50 AM > > Dear Susan, > > For starters, check for "Buy Fresh, Buy Local" signs and logo in > your market's meat and produce sections. Dig deeper and look for > "Certified Organic" and "Locally Produced" labels on the products. > > The "Buy Fresh, Buy Local" program originated at UNI's Center for > Energy and Environmental Education (CEEE); it's now statewide. > Check their website for a list of participating stores and producers > in your area. > > Bill Witt > > On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Susan Temere <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > How do we know which ones are CAFO eggs or ham? I'll gladly > participate in such a boycott. This is a great answer to the problem. > Susan > > --- On Sun, 12/5/10, Wally Taylor <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > From: Wally Taylor <[log in to unmask]> > > Subject: Re: I always thought an "environmental lawyer" worked for > the environment... > To: [log in to unmask] > Date: Sunday, December 5, 2010, 10:30 AM > > > "Would you eat CAFO eggs and ham? I would not eat them Sam-I-Am." > Sorry. I've been reading "Green Eggs and Ham" to my grandchildren. > > Wally Taylor > "Iowans boycott CAFO ham and eggs." > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Donna Buell <[log in to unmask]> > To: [log in to unmask] > Sent: Sun, Dec 5, 2010 7:04 am > Subject: Re: I always thought an "environmental lawyer" worked for > the environment... > > I didn't realize there had been vandalism in NE Iowa, Susan. I > wasn't suggesting crimes against others or against property. I was > thinking more of cash register-kind of civil disobedience. > Disobeying the command to be a passive consumer rather than a > participating citizen. > > "Iowans boycott CAFO ham and eggs." > > "Iowans against high fructose corn syrup." > > Personally, I never put ethanol in my car. And I feel good at the > pump every single time. (And I drive a car that gets 38mpg, etc.) > > It is time to move Beyond Corn. And consumer demand may be our best > (only?) weapon. Although we may have an ally in the Tea Party if we > can somehow kill the ethanol, oil and coal subsidies all in one > swoop.... > > Donna > > > > On Dec 4, 2010, at 9:26 PM, Norm West wrote: > >> >> Am not sure how far we'd get with civil disobedience, but causing a >> big enough ruckus over the pollution/environmental destruction >> that's going on to keep it in the headlines of all the media seems >> the only way wrongs get corrected in this country, or any other >> country for that matter. As many bad points as there are to CAFOs, >> don't think vandalism that's been going on up here in NE Iowa does >> anything except keep public sympathy on the side of the CAFOs. >> Plus there's always the risk that the vandalism will result in >> increased suffering of the animals in the CAFOs. Certainly no >> quick nor simple answer to getting the public on the environment's >> side instead of focused on more and more consumerism. As some >> famous military figure has often been quoted, "Attack, attack, >> attack is the best defense". Susan West >> >> >> On Dec 4, 2010, at 5:43 PM, Donna Buell wrote: >> >>> Yes, agreed. Both parties are far more beholden to Big Ag than to >>> the common resources of the people. >>> >>> Is it time for more civil disobedience? >>> >>> Donna >>> >>> >>> >>> On Dec 4, 2010, at 5:38 PM, Norm West wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Be interesting to ask Mr. Petty WHERE he saw the studies and what >>>> qualifications he has to analyze the data and have a different >>>> conclustion than the researchers! As you mentioned, whatever he >>>> got was probably spoon-fed to him from Farm Bureau. Doesn't seem >>>> to matter which party is in power at the State House or White >>>> House neither party is very serious about protecting our >>>> environment. Sad. Susan West >>>> >>>> >>>> On Dec 4, 2010, at 4:08 PM, Wally Taylor wrote: >>>> >>>>> Regarding the Chesapeake Bay, I was at a recent EPC meeting >>>>> when, during a break, Dave Petty, one of the EPC members, came >>>>> over to where Ed Tormey and Randy Clark (DNR lawyers) and I were >>>>> standing. He started talking about the "damn environmentalists" >>>>> who were blaming CAFOs (chickens in that case) for the pollution >>>>> of the Bay. He claimed it was the increasing human population >>>>> around the Bay that was causing the problem. I said I doubted >>>>> that since human waste is treated before it is discharged; >>>>> animal waste is not. He claimed he had seen the studies. He >>>>> probably saw the information Farm Bureau gave him. And this is a >>>>> member of the EPC appointed by Vilsack and reappointed by Culver >>>>> (or Patty Judge). >>>>> >>>>> Wally Taylor >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Chesapeake pollution issues are NOT driven by computer >>>>> modeling, but by >>>>> direct measurement of pollutants and absence of normal lifeforms. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Searles, Leland <[log in to unmask]> >>>>> To: [log in to unmask] >>>>> Sent: Sat, Dec 4, 2010 2:16 pm >>>>> Subject: Re: I always thought an "environmental lawyer" worked >>>>> for the environment... >>>>> >>>>> This line from the attorney, Bodine, contains a grotesque >>>>> oversimplification. >>>>> It's the kind of junky statement that I expect from such a >>>>> meeting and the >>>>> hand-picked presenters it has: >>>>> >>>>> "are just a few examples of issues driven by 'computer modeling >>>>> and inaccurate >>>>> assumptions.' " >>>>> >>>>> The Chesapeake pollution issues are NOT driven by computer >>>>> modeling, but by >>>>> direct measurement of pollutants and absence of normal >>>>> lifeforms. Some of the >>>>> Iowa rules (antidegradation is mentioned) are based on citizen >>>>> and professional >>>>> testing of water quality, not least of which occurs at major >>>>> municipal drinking >>>>> water facilities. >>>>> >>>>> Modeling is made necessary in many cases by absence of better >>>>> data. I work with >>>>> the DNR Air Quality Bureau, and they have a rank order list of >>>>> preferred forms >>>>> of data for issuing air permits to facilities. Stack testing, >>>>> followed by >>>>> modeling, is second, and it is driven by knowledge of industrial >>>>> through-put and >>>>> stack measurements of pollutants. Pure modeling is well down the >>>>> list. The >>>>> speaker distorts the situation in Iowa, if not in other states, >>>>> and >>>>> misrepresents the guidance from EPA on how to establish levels >>>>> of pollution in >>>>> air and water. This is what counts as "sound science" - highly >>>>> biased >>>>> misrepresentations of the realities of what regulatory agencies >>>>> actually do, >>>>> often in cooperation with the regulated agencies, various >>>>> organizations, and >>>>> citizen volunteers. >>>>> >>>>> If the evidence of agricultural contributions to air pollution >>>>> and greenhouse >>>>> gases wasn't already clear enough five to ten years ago, the >>>>> research that has >>>>> been done in the last year or two puts the icing on the cake, >>>>> that agricultural >>>>> air and water (including, importantly, so-called nonpoint >>>>> sources) emissions of >>>>> pollution and agricultural releases of methane and other >>>>> greenhouse gases are >>>>> significant. While many farm organizations prefer voluntary >>>>> adoption of control >>>>> techniques, rather than legislated or regulated approaches, the >>>>> evidence also is >>>>> clear that voluntary programs to reduce air toxics (ammonia, >>>>> hydrogen sulfide) >>>>> and nutrients in surface waterways ARE NOT SUFFICIENT. >>>>> >>>>> Most environmental lawyers do go where the money is, I think, as >>>>> Wally Taylor >>>>> noted. I've been in the room trying to hammer out policy >>>>> recommendations with >>>>> corporate lawyers, and they do their jobs very well: obstruct, >>>>> hinder, stall, >>>>> make sideways accusations and implications, etc. It's too bad >>>>> that corporations >>>>> aren't more interested in accuracy and truth. But then American >>>>> culture, >>>>> economics, and politics are based on self-interest, not ethical >>>>> responsibilities. Mission statements are often subterfuges, >>>>> pretty language and >>>>> little more. A musician/poet once describe such stuff as >>>>> "antimatter language >>>>> designed to conceal." >>>>> >>>>> Lee Searles >>>>> Air Quality Program >>>>> Iowa Environmental Council >>>>> Des Moines >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> From: Iowa Discussion, Alerts and Announcements on behalf of >>>>> Cindy Hildebrand >>>>> Sent: Fri 12/3/2010 10:06 PM >>>>> To: [log in to unmask] >>>>> Subject: I always thought an "environmental lawyer" worked for the >>>>> environment... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ...but after reading the last paragraph in the article below, I >>>>> see I was >>>>> mistaken. >>>>> >>>>> Cindy >>>>> >>>>> http://www.ifbf.org/article.aspx?articleID=21494 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cindy Hildebrand >>>>> [log in to unmask] >>>>> Ames, IA 50010 >>>>> >>>>> "Flood control dams have no relation to the cause of floods. >>>>> Check dams and >>>>> terraces do not touch the cause of erosion...The practices we >>>>> now call >>>>> conservation are, to a large extent, local alleviations of >>>>> biotic pain. 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