What problems
do we have at the Mexican border -- other than
Republicans afraid that new immigrants will be
more likely vote for Democrats?
Women
have been second class citizens (and less) for
centuries. That's the real issue, I
think. Women will limit children if they
have choices and options. Educate women --
jail men who abuse them -- and we will go a long
way towards affecting
population.
Donna
On May
31, 2013, at 4:01 AM, gerald neff <
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wrote:
> Thomas is right on
population. In the US and other developed
countries there is no reason why couples should
NOT limit their families to two children.
Religion must take a big part of the blame for
the predicament the world is in. Look at Mexico
and South America where Catholicism and poverty
go hand in hand. With all the discussion about
immigration to the US most of our problems start
at the border of Mexico. Why don't we have any
problems along the Canadian border?
Population and Climate Change are so connected
and no one wants to discuss either topic.
Jerry
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> From: Thomas Mathews, CIG <
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> Subject: population
>
> What to do about global warming? A good
place to start is
>
population--reduce the number of humans born
each year. People should be screaming
their
> lungs out about the damage that
over-population is doing to the planet,
but
> mostly we hear nothing. So I'm
talking about it now.
>
> When my
father was born, in 1911, global population was
about 1.7 billion.
> Now it's 7
billion, and growing. Think about those numbers.
Problems like
> global warming are
much less serious if there are not so many
people in the
> world.
>
> The Catholic church should promote the
use of artificial methods of birth
> control, and the church should
encourage couples to stop at two children.
> I'm an ardent defender of Nature, but
natural birth control--the rhythm
>
method, endorsed by the Vatican--isn't very
effective.
>
> Barry and Paul
discuss population on a Sierra Club list,
below.
>
> While population control
is a good place to start, we of course have
to
> work on other issues as well,
like stopping the Keystone pipeline. But the
> fact remains irreducible that a
finite planet cannot support infinite
growth.
>
> Tom
> [Acronym
translations: EV=electric vehicle; RE=renewable
energy;
> TOD=transit oriented
development, i.e., housing and businesses built
near mass
> transit, usually rail;
ICE=internal combustion engine; VMT=vehicle
miles
> traveled; TGV=French very
high-speed train; SNCF=the French state-owned
railroad
> company]
>
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>
=
> Barry,
>
> I started to
get frustrated at your dissing of efficient
EVs&nb
sp; and RE, and
>
was saying to myself that this is actually
population you're talking about.
>
Then you made that very point.
>
>
Thank you. I felt better
immediately.
>
> I endowed three
vasectomy funds through Planned Parenthood
offices in
> Eugene, OR, Pasadena and Los
Angeles. I encourage those with money to
> contribute to do so. If you have the
means, endow your own vasectomy fund with
your
> local PP office. Tell them to call
the LA or Lane County OR offices for how
> to structure it. It's money well spent
since about $200-$400 will prevent
> potentially several unwanted
pregnancies. So much of our problems would
be
> easier to manage if there were
fewer of us.
>
> Paul
>
> On May 30, 2013, at 7:47 PM,
Schiller, Barry wrote:
>
>>
Thanks to all who contributed to this
interesting thread.
>>
>> I
commend Alan for presenting a vision of
how emphasizing energy
> efficient
walkable transit rich communities can
contribute to carbon emission
>
reduction. As I see it, he is not
suggesting mass transit only or not to
work
> on renewables or better vehicles,
but prioritizing the TOD concept as the
> best way to go to get meaningful
results.
>>
>> What I think
we should also like about Alan's vision is
that it also
> better serves other
environmental interests besides carbon
reduction. For
> example, super
efficient/clean personal vehicles
encourage sprawl and the need
> to
pave over green space for roads and parking,
contribute to roadkill,
> wildlife
habitat loss, accidents, make it harder to walk
or bicycle on the
> roads about as
much as ICE vehicles. And "renewable"
energy has many
> problematic
elements including placement in natural areas,
transmission line
> issues,
birdkill, neighborhood nuisances, aesthetic
issues, and more. TOD
>
intends to reduce energy and VMT demand which
renewables/EVs do not do as much
>
if at all. That is why I have also have
advocated working on population
>
growth reduction strategies too.
>>
>> As for our differences with
France, I think they have going for their
> CO2 reduction strategy their use
of nuclear power and lack of oil which
>
incentivizes electric transport such as
the trams, TGV, the power of the small
>
farmers and their supporters who resist
sprawl into farmland, a centralized
>
government that can make and implement
policy of their party has a majority
> in
Parliament (except perhaps on
the rare interludes of "cohabitation"
>
when the President is of another party)
including legislating very high fuel
>
taxes, and the strong SNCF unions which
were able to get subsidies and
> preserve
a lot of services even in the lowest point
of rail travel. Vive la
> SNCF!
>>
>> Barry
Schiller, RI
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