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Chris, I did not write one word of high minded rhetoric. I noted that we
need to campaign for real and specific objectives, not for vague
political platitudes glossing over reality in presidential speeches.
And I asked you to give me -specifics- from Obama's speech that are
actual concrete objectives which he laid out, that we can campaign for,
right now.
You were not able to give any such specifics for one very good reason.
Obama's speech didn't contain any such specifics and was instead a bunch
of neo-liberal wiggle phrases meant purposely to be heard by the fossil
fuel and nuclear industries to reassure them that he is not changing
White House policy on fossil and nuclear fuels; including the XL pipeline.
You are letting a politician lead you by the pushing of your emotional
buttons instead of presenting you with actual policy changes.
This world is in deep environmental crisis. We do not have the luxury to
be led around by the nose anymore by Democrat presidents who are bought
and paid for by corporations.
I'm sorry to be so confrontation folks. But we have to wake the hell up
about this stuff and start getting serious about demanding real and
rapid change on the scale of Franklin Roosevelt's WW2 and New Deal
mobilizations.
Obama's speech should have been the announcement that he will create a
Green New Deal program reaching the magnitude and speed of those two
efforts. But instead, his speech was merely a kowtowing to traditional
planet destroying industries, dressed up in a bunch of utterly
meaningless and incredibly deceptive flowery rhetoric.
We cannot accept any more bs from Washington DC; especially from the
White House.
Eric Brooks
On 6/27/2013 7:59 PM, Chris Krusa wrote:
>
> If its details you want, read Al Gore's new tome, but my belief is
> from my soul. So get off your high minded rhetoric and get more in
> tune with action and support . Obama's support is very real and so
> good since prior administrations.
>
> Chris Krusa
>
> 27 Rose Ct.
>
> Glen Carbon, IL 62034
>
> 618-288-2681 home
>
> 410-490-5024 cell
>
> "Disclaimer: Please take notice that any communication sent to, or
> received by, this account or device may be subject to disclosure
> pursuant to the Illinois Freedom of Information Act."
>
> *From:*Chp & Grp Global Warming Energy Chairs
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On Behalf
> Of *Eric Brooks
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 27, 2013 8:37 PM
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Re: [GW-ACT-LEADERS] Fw: Obama's Carbon Reduction Plan
> "Will Guarantee Global Warming Disaster"
>
> With respect Chris,
>
> Can you explain just what specific and supposedly forward thinking
> climate crisis reversing strategy that you believe was mentioned in
> Obama's speech, which you would like us to campaign for, and which
> isn't already ordered by the courts or existing policy? And I mean
> specific and quantified actual action.
>
> Eric Brooks
>
> On 6/27/2013 6:23 PM, Chris Krusa wrote:
>
> Dave is right! We need to support Obama's gutsy venture here,
> even if it turns out not perfect. It's a matter of keeping up the
> pressure in time.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris Krusa, PPG Illinois
>
> 27 Rose Ct.
>
> Glen Carbon, IL 62034
>
> 618-288-2681 home
>
> 410-490-5024 cell
>
> "Disclaimer: Please take notice that any communication sent to, or
> received by, this account or device may be subject to disclosure
> pursuant to the Illinois Freedom of Information Act."
>
> *From:*Chp & Grp Global Warming Energy Chairs
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On
> Behalf Of *Eric Brooks
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 27, 2013 4:57 PM
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> *Subject:* Re: [GW-ACT-LEADERS] Fw: Obama's Carbon Reduction Plan
> "Will Guarantee Global Warming Disaster"
>
> Precisely. Obama's speech was not just weak; it in fact was a
> flat-out roadmap to climate disaster.
>
> Eric Brooks
>
> On 6/27/2013 1:31 PM, Jim Sconyers wrote:
>
> True, but.....
>
> Gas is no bridge. Nuclear is a disaster. Clean coal is a myth.
>
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 3:33 PM, caroljohnson
> <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
> wrote:
>
> Well said! Thank you!
>
> Sent from my Samsung Epic^(TM) 4G Touch
>
>
> David McCoard <[log in to unmask]
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>
> Most of what I've seen in other discussions on this list
> regarding the President's plan has been people
> blasting specific shortcomings. As Randy says, that's easy and
> fun to do. But let's look at his initiative as a whole. With a
> Congress that's unlikely to pass meaningful global warming
> measures, he's doing what he can on his end.
>
> Stabilizing and then reducing the GHG content of the
> astmosphere sufficiently and quickly enough to avert
> disastrous climatic changes would require immediate and
> radical steps worldwide. At the same time, people of
> developing countries, with rising standards of
> living, understandably want the same cars and appliances that
> we already have.
>
> Simply saying that what the President, or any single country,
> can do by itself, is insufficient to avert serious climatic
> changes is to state the obvious. The climate change has
> already begun and will continue before it stabilizes, however
> quickly GHG emissions can be cut.
>
> Dismissing all efforts as insufficient won't help. What we
> need to do, and what the Club is here for, is to do our part
> to reduce these emissions as quickly as possible by
>
> * raising public conciousness,
> * advancing the development of clean power sources and
> industrial processes,
> * advancing energy efficiency in buildings, daily activities
> and industry,
> * encouraging more modest lifestyles and economies that
> support this (e.g., bringing consumerism under control),
> * pushing governments and people around the world to do the
> same,
> * encouraging the phasing out of GHG-producing power
> supplies as clean alternatives become sufficient, and
> * making sure our individual lifestyles reflect these values.
>
>
> Dave
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 13:15:52 -0400
> From: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: [GW-ACT-LEADERS] Fw: Obama's Carbon Reduction
> Plan "Will Guarantee Global Warming Disaster"
> To: [log in to unmask]
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>
> I find myself in the classic "glass half full / half empty"
> dilemma with the response of the environmental movement to
> Obama's climate speech. The larger picture is that we find
> ourselves in an overall political situation where the
> Republican Party and the Tea Party have taken the wheels off
> the federal government. They have implemented a strategy
> where if they can't govern, no one will. They are also
> utterly hostile to the environment, to dealing with climate
> change. Implacably so. So it is kind of unfair being super
> hard on Obama, no matter how much fun some people are having
> doing so. I think anytime you have someone in power
> addressing this issue - however incompetently or insincere
> they may be - it is a victory, especially in light of the mass
> media's boycott of the issue. It is a victory for the climate
> aka fossil fuel resistance as McKibben puts it. I frankly
> think that the environmental movement is illiterate when it
> comes to American politics and the history of American social
> change movements. If it were not, its responses to the speech
> would be much more realistic and nuanced.
>
> Randy Cunningham
>
> NEO Sierra Club.
>
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 12:31 PM, CRAIG L.
> <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>
> A contrary view presented to Obama's plan. Click on link to
> watch video. I have also pasted the transcript below.
>
> <http://premiere.whatcounts.com/t?r=1664&c=922658&l=36995&ctl=16D7199:2A1FDA641B5AB1CDB544D32927F18319EDC3615173C7E546&>
>
> *News Stories*
>
>
>
> June 27, 2013
>
>
>
>
> *Obama's Carbon Reduction Plan "Will Guarantee Global Warming
> Disaster"
> Nafeez Ahmed: Environmental activists need to redouble efforts
> to demand Obama reject Keystone XL, abandon hydrofracking, and
> adopt tougher emission standards
> Go to story| Go to homepage
> <http://premiere.whatcounts.com/t?r=1664&c=922658&l=36995&ctl=16D7199:2A1FDA641B5AB1CDB544D32927F18319EDC3615173C7E546&>*
>
> <http://premiere.whatcounts.com/t?r=1664&c=922658&l=36995&ctl=16D7199:2A1FDA641B5AB1CDB544D32927F18319EDC3615173C7E546&>
>
>
>
>
> *2012 "Undocubus" Empowered Immigrant Communities Through
> Civil Disobedience
> Pt 2. In 2012, undocumented immigrants launched the
> "Undocubus" campaign and used civil disobedience to challenge
> deportations
> Go to story| Go to homepage
> <http://premiere.whatcounts.com/t?r=1664&c=922658&l=36995&ctl=16D7199:2A1FDA641B5AB1CDB544D32927F18319EDC3615173C7E546&>*
>
>
>
> <http://premiere.whatcounts.com/t?r=1664&c=922658&l=36995&ctl=16D7199:2A1FDA641B5AB1CDB544D32927F18319EDC3615173C7E546&>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> <http://premiere.whatcounts.com/t?r=1664&c=922658&l=36995&ctl=16D7199:2A1FDA641B5AB1CDB544D32927F18319EDC3615173C7E546&>
>
> JAISAL NOOR, TRNN PRODUCER: Welcome to The Real News Network.
> I'm Jaisal Noor in
> Baltimore.<http://premiere.whatcounts.com/t?r=1664&c=922658&l=36995&ctl=16D7199:2A1FDA641B5AB1CDB544D32927F18319EDC3615173C7E546&>
>
> We now continue our coverage of President Obama's major
> address he delivered Tuesday outlining his plans to tackle
> climate
> change.<http://premiere.whatcounts.com/t?r=1664&c=922658&l=36995&ctl=16D7199:2A1FDA641B5AB1CDB544D32927F18319EDC3615173C7E546&>
>
> We are now joined by Dr. Nafeez Ahmed. He's a best-selling
> author, investigative journalist, and international security
> scholar. He is executive director of the Institute for Policy
> Research and Development and author of /A User's Guide to the
> Crisis of Civilization/, among other books. He writes for/The
> Guardian/ on the geopolitics of environmental, energy, and
> economic crises on his Earth Insight
> blog.<http://premiere.whatcounts.com/t?r=1664&c=922658&l=36995&ctl=16D7199:2A1FDA641B5AB1CDB544D32927F18319EDC3615173C7E546&>
>
> Thank you for being with
> us.<http://premiere.whatcounts.com/t?r=1664&c=922658&l=36995&ctl=16D7199:2A1FDA641B5AB1CDB544D32927F18319EDC3615173C7E546&>
>
> DR. NAFEEZ AHMED, DIRECTOR, INSTITUTE FOR POLICY RESEARCH AND
> DEVELOPMENT: Thank
> you.<http://premiere.whatcounts.com/t?r=1664&c=922658&l=36995&ctl=16D7199:2A1FDA641B5AB1CDB544D32927F18319EDC3615173C7E546&>
>
> NOOR: So you just wrote a piece about how Obama's new
> climate-change strategy will actually guarantee global warming
> disaster. Can you talk about what you're arguing? Because if
> you read what a lot of his supporters that have been critical
> of his environmental policies say, they say this is a sharp
> break from the past, what previous administrations have been
> doing around climate change. What's your
> response?<http://premiere.whatcounts.com/t?r=1664&c=922658&l=36995&ctl=16D7199:2A1FDA641B5AB1CDB544D32927F18319EDC3615173C7E546&>
>
> AHMED: Well, on one hand, I agree and I concede that
> absolutely this plan is unprecedented in the history of the
> United States. It's the first time we've had such a
> wide-ranging, comprehensive plan on the environment, and in
> that sense it's to be welcomed. And there's a lot of great
> stuff in the plan. So it would be foolish to kind of say that
> this isn't a huge a step
> forward.<http://premiere.whatcounts.com/t?r=1664&c=922658&l=36995&ctl=16D7199:2A1FDA641B5AB1CDB544D32927F18319EDC3615173C7E546&>
>
> But I think we need to have a reality check about what this
> plan actually means. And the reality is is that the scientists
> are saying is that if you look at the nature of the pledges
> that are being put on the table not only by the United States
> but also by China, also by Europe, also by the U.K. and other
> major powers, unfortunately they're just not good enough in
> terms of avoiding the danger of climate catastrophe. And the
> problem is that we have accepted in the international
> policymaking circuit this limit of 2 degrees Celcius as a
> maximum limit for safe--for, you know, what is supposed to be
> the safe level of warming, and beyond that we enter the realm
> of dangerous climate
> change.<http://premiere.whatcounts.com/t?r=1664&c=922658&l=36995&ctl=16D7199:2A1FDA641B5AB1CDB544D32927F18319EDC3615173C7E546&>
>
> Now, all the models are telling us that even if Obama's plan
> goes ahead with everything that it's going to have in it, that
> still will not be enough to prevent us from hitting dangerous
> climate change within this century and having a temperature
> rise of between 3 to 4 degrees Celsius at least, according to
> the most conservative models looking at this scenario of
> implementation of these pledges, at least. And that means once
> we get into that danger realm, you're going to trigger these
> positive feedbacks in the Arctic, in the Amazon rain forest,
> and other key ecosystems, which themselves will lead to
> further warming. And that's really the danger is that once we
> hit that danger zone, it's going to get
> worse.<http://premiere.whatcounts.com/t?r=1664&c=922658&l=36995&ctl=16D7199:2A1FDA641B5AB1CDB544D32927F18319EDC3615173C7E546&>
>
> So my concern is really to look at this from a species level
> point of view, is that this really is not good for humanity.
> We need a lot more. That's the reality check. I mean, it's not
> about Obama and his character and whether what he's doing is
> well intentioned or not well intentioned. I'm not really
> bothered about that. What I'm worried about is: are these
> plans really going to be enough? But unfortunately they're
> not.<http://premiere.whatcounts.com/t?r=1664&c=922658&l=36995&ctl=16D7199:2A1FDA641B5AB1CDB544D32927F18319EDC3615173C7E546&>
>
> NOOR: Now, his supporters say this represents progress, if
> nothing else. What's your
> response?<http://premiere.whatcounts.com/t?r=1664&c=922658&l=36995&ctl=16D7199:2A1FDA641B5AB1CDB544D32927F18319EDC3615173C7E546&>
>
> AHMED: Of course it is progress. I mean, you'd much rather
> reduce emissions to some extent than not reduce them at all.
> If we didn't reduce them at all, it would be even
> worse.<http://premiere.whatcounts.com/t?r=1664&c=922658&l=36995&ctl=16D7199:2A1FDA641B5AB1CDB544D32927F18319EDC3615173C7E546&>
>
> But, again, you know, this is--when we get involved in the
> political games, you know, it's the environment that's at
> stake. For me, as far as I'm concerned, is: does this
> 17 percent cut actually deal with the issue of stopping us
> from getting into the realm of dangerous climate change? It
> doesn't. It doesn't do
> that.<http://premiere.whatcounts.com/t?r=1664&c=922658&l=36995&ctl=16D7199:2A1FDA641B5AB1CDB544D32927F18319EDC3615173C7E546&>
>
> And if you actually look at it in comparison to the 1990
> level, there's only 4 percent cut, when you look at it from
> that perspective. So it really isn't that much of a huge cut.
> It's quite a modest
> cut.<http://premiere.whatcounts.com/t?r=1664&c=922658&l=36995&ctl=16D7199:2A1FDA641B5AB1CDB544D32927F18319EDC3615173C7E546&>
>
> So, yeah, it's a good thing that we've committed to something
> in the United States, but it's just not good enough. And, you
> know, this is not--the United States is clearly not alone in
> having pledged, you know, modest pledges which don't go far
> enough. You know, this--all of the other major powers have
> done the same
> thing.<http://premiere.whatcounts.com/t?r=1664&c=922658&l=36995&ctl=16D7199:2A1FDA641B5AB1CDB544D32927F18319EDC3615173C7E546&>
>
> What--it's worth bearing in mind that the United States
> government under the Obama administration did play a pretty
> heavy role in really effectively sabotaging international
> negotiations. And most people in the environment movement are
> quite aware of this, that the U.S. role in recent negotiations
> in Cancun, in Copenhagen, was effectively to dilute them. And
> it's prevented major powers from reaching emissions pledges
> that could have been a lot more drastic, a lot more
> effective.<http://premiere.whatcounts.com/t?r=1664&c=922658&l=36995&ctl=16D7199:2A1FDA641B5AB1CDB544D32927F18319EDC3615173C7E546&>
>
> So we're in this situation where the pledges that we have are
> just not going to cut it, and we are on this trajectory, even
> with these pledges, getting to dangerous--a really worrying
> danger zone that, you know, people like NASA's James Hansen
> have warned that this could lead to major positive feedbacks,
> which could lead to further warming even beyond what the human
> effect on the planet is.NOOR: Now, a lot of climate activists
> from around the world and in the U.S. that were disappointed
> by the Obama administration's approach to the UN conference of
> parties you referred to, they focused on the Keystone XL
> pipeline and pressuring President Obama to either delay or
> block that decision. Now, he broke his silence on Keystone XL
> in his speech, saying he will only approve the pipeline if it
> does not significantly exacerbate the problem of carbon
> pollution.<http://premiere.whatcounts.com/t?r=1664&c=922658&l=36995&ctl=16D7199:2A1FDA641B5AB1CDB544D32927F18319EDC3615173C7E546&>
>
> Now, many of his supporters saw this as hope that he would
> ultimately decide to not approve it. But others, including
> many Republicans, say that because the State Department
> already had a review earlier this year which concluded that
> the Keystone would not raise carbon pollution, that this means
> that President Obama will actually in fact go ahead and
> approve the Keystone XL pipeline. Can you talk more about
> this?<http://premiere.whatcounts.com/t?r=1664&c=922658&l=36995&ctl=16D7199:2A1FDA641B5AB1CDB544D32927F18319EDC3615173C7E546&>
>
> AHMED: Well, I think there's a number of issues here. The
> first is is really that, you know, it's pretty clear that the
> U.S. government has been aware that there is massive
> opposition to the Keystone pipeline. And it's worth
> remembering that it's actually the environment movement that
> has managed to rally popular outrage a lot more effectively
> than other social movements in recent years. And the Keystone
> pipeline has been a major sticking point for activists. So
> this is clearly something the government would want to
> address.<http://premiere.whatcounts.com/t?r=1664&c=922658&l=36995&ctl=16D7199:2A1FDA641B5AB1CDB544D32927F18319EDC3615173C7E546&>
>
> The second point I think that is worth bearing in mind is that
> the Republicans are making an interesting and valid point by
> noting that a lot of the processes and planning processes that
> were in place to examine and decide whether or not Keystone
> should happen have already happened, and they've happened
> completely outside of any kind of public arena or Democratic
> kind of decision-making process, you know, that we're now
> seeing that, you know, the president is kind of saying that,
> oh, we're going to look at all of these other issues and we
> still have yet to make a decision. But why is it that we do
> have these documents that clearly say the decisions have been
> made? There's already been investments that have been made.
> There's already been--there's a very--I mean, this is--there's
> a long litany of documentation, actually, which shows how
> entrenched the U.S. government policy is on Keystone. So I
> would be wary with assuming that all of that would suddenly be
> reversed.<http://premiere.whatcounts.com/t?r=1664&c=922658&l=36995&ctl=16D7199:2A1FDA641B5AB1CDB544D32927F18319EDC3615173C7E546&>
>
> Thirdly, I think one has to assess what Obama is saying here
> against his track record in relation to other issues, such as
> the NDAA, such as drone strikes, such as the NSA PRISM issue.
> All of these issues show that Obama is very good at mobilizing
> very powerful rhetoric which can be quite convincing and in
> fact effectively diffuses and confuses potential opposition to
> his decisions, to the Democratic Party, and so on and so
> forth. But in fact what he actually does in practice can often
> be very, very different. And whether that's a result of him
> personally or whether it's because of the inevitable
> structures of power in which he's operating is, you know, a
> debate that we can have, but the facts do speak for themselves
> that Obama often says things that his--and his administration
> tends to the do the opposite, and that often bears the stamp
> of his approval. I'm concerned that this could happen again in
> Keystone.<http://premiere.whatcounts.com/t?r=1664&c=922658&l=36995&ctl=16D7199:2A1FDA641B5AB1CDB544D32927F18319EDC3615173C7E546&>
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> Fourthly, and my last and final point on this, really, is to
> look at another element of the government's track record on
> this, which is the shale gas. And, you know, we've
> already--President Obama already said in his speech that, you
> know, clearly fracking and exploitation of shale gas and oil
> is going to be a major part of this apparent environmental
> strategy. And this is really, really worrying, 'cause as I
> point out in my /Guardian/article--and I've documented this in
> more detail in my book--shale gas is not the clean bridge
> fuel. Peer-reviewed scientific studies show that shale gas, in
> the process of exploiting it, releases methane, which is an
> even more potent greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide. And
> because of this, the environmental impact of shale gas can
> actually be even worse than conventional gas. And according to
> one comprehensive study in climactic change, published in
> 2011, and again in 2012 a further updated study, it's even
> worse than
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>
> So this is really worrying for me. And the fact that the U.S.
> government has already signed off on a devastating policy of
> promoting shale gas, which we know is going to contribute to
> further greenhouse gases, really for me makes me wonder how
> much we can trust the judgment of this administration in
> ensuring that it doesn't back the Keystone pipeline, which we
> know, according to all the best scientific evidence, is
> already and will contribute immensely to greenhouse gases and
> also other forms of environmental degradation. So it's pretty
> clear to me if you look at the government's track record that
> this doesn't--it's not likely that Obama's just going to say,
> hey, Keystone can go to
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> NOOR: And I wanted to ask you: what challenge does this speech
> and his rhetoric in his speech pose to the same activists that
> we talked about that were on the front lines committing civil
> disobedience, making the Keystone XL, for example, a key issue
> that Obama had to address? What is their role going to have to
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> AHMED: In my view, I think we have to keep the pressure up,
> more so than ever before. And I think that's the tactic. I
> mean, arguably--and this is perhaps a cynical perspective--but
> I think based on the track record of government so far, it's
> not unjustified that the U.S. government and the Obama--you
> know, President Obama himself, I think, are attempting to
> really diffuse dissent and to really say, look, guys, you
> don't need to be so angry, you don't need to be so opposed to
> what we're doing, you can trust us, you can trust the
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> because the president himself has signed off on this amazing
> strategy and everything is going to be fine. And,
> unfortunately, it's not going to be fine. And whether or not
> we accept Obama's statements at face value--and, again, I
> emphasize that whatever my personal views, I'm personally very
> skeptical of Obama's policies and the way he presents them.
> But whatever one's view is, the issue of personality, the
> issue of his intentions is not the point here. The point is
> that in reality, what will the impact of these policies be?
> The science shows the impact of these policies are not enough
> and that we are still on a devastating trajectory with or
> without these current pledges we have on the table. More needs
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> The other issue, of course, is that we need to keep up the
> pressure to make sure that we don't allow the environmental
> movement to be diffused or confused by these kind of
> reassurances and to say we do need change, we need radical,
> dramatic, drastic change. These changes that are put forward
> in this climate plan, there are many, many positive changes in
> there which people in the environment movement can use and
> say, look, these are things which are being endorsed by the
> government, this is the thrust of the kind of changes that we
> need to see, but we need more, we need a lot more. We need a
> radical systemic change in our societies, the way our
> economies operate, and of course the way we do politics. But
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> NOOR: Thank you for joining
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> AHMED: Thank
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> NOOR: Thank you for joining us on The Real News Network.
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<font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Chris, I did not write one
word of high minded rhetoric. I noted that we need to campaign for
real and specific objectives, not for vague political platitudes
glossing over reality in presidential speeches.<br>
<br>
And I asked you to give me -specifics- from Obama's speech that
are actual concrete objectives which he laid out, that we can
campaign for, right now.<br>
<br>
You were not able to give any such specifics for one very good
reason. Obama's speech didn't contain any such specifics and was
instead a bunch of neo-liberal wiggle phrases meant purposely to
be heard by the fossil fuel and nuclear industries to reassure
them that he is not changing White House policy on fossil and
nuclear fuels; including the XL pipeline.<br>
<br>
You are letting a politician lead you by the pushing of your
emotional buttons instead of presenting you with actual policy
changes.<br>
<br>
This world is in deep environmental crisis. We do not have the
luxury to be led around by the nose anymore by Democrat presidents
who are bought and paid for by corporations.<br>
<br>
I'm sorry to be so confrontation folks. But we have to wake the
hell up about this stuff and start getting serious about demanding
real and rapid change on the scale of Franklin Roosevelt's WW2 and
New Deal mobilizations.<br>
<br>
Obama's speech should have been the announcement that he will
create a Green New Deal program reaching the magnitude and speed
of those two efforts. But instead, his speech was merely a
kowtowing to traditional planet destroying industries, dressed up
in a bunch of utterly meaningless and incredibly deceptive flowery
rhetoric.<br>
<br>
We cannot accept any more bs from Washington DC; especially from
the White House.<br>
<br>
Eric Brooks<br>
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color="black"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">If
its details you want, read Al Gore’s new tome, but my
belief is from my soul. So get off your high minded
rhetoric and get more in tune with action and support .
Obama’s support is very real and so good since prior
administrations. <o:p></o:p></span></font></a></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">Glen
Carbon, IL 62034<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Tahoma" size="2" color="black"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
Chp & Grp Global Warming Energy Chairs
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">mailto:[log in to unmask]</a>]
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Eric
Brooks<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
Thursday, June 27, 2013 8:37 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [GW-ACT-LEADERS] Fw: Obama's Carbon Reduction Plan
"Will Guarantee Global Warming Disaster"<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color="black"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font
face="Helvetica" size="3" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">With
respect Chris,<br>
<br>
Can you explain just what specific and supposedly forward
thinking climate crisis reversing strategy that you
believe was mentioned in Obama's speech</span></font>,
which you would like us to campaign for, and which isn't
already ordered by the courts or existing policy? And I mean
specific and quantified actual action.<br>
<br>
Eric Brooks<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"
color="black"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On 6/27/2013
6:23 PM, Chris Krusa wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="2"
color="black"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">Dave
is right! We need to support Obama’s gutsy venture
here, even if it turns out not perfect. It’s a matter
of keeping up the pressure in time. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">Chris
Krusa, PPG Illinois</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="2"
color="black"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">27
Rose Ct.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="2"
color="black"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">Glen
Carbon, IL 62034</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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color="black"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">618-288-2681
home</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font
face="Tahoma" size="2" color="black"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
Chp & Grp Global Warming Energy Chairs [<a
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href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">mailto:[log in to unmask]</a>]
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Eric
Brooks<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
Thursday, June 27, 2013 4:57 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [GW-ACT-LEADERS] Fw: Obama's Carbon Reduction
Plan "Will Guarantee Global Warming Disaster"</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"
color="black"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font
face="Helvetica" size="3" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Precisely.
Obama's speech was not just weak; it in fact was a
flat-out roadmap to climate disaster.<br>
<br>
Eric Brooks</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"
color="black"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On
6/27/2013 1:31 PM, Jim Sconyers wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"
color="black"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">True,
but.....</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font
face="Times New Roman" size="4" color="black"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt">Gas is no bridge. Nuclear
is a disaster. Clean coal is a myth.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"
size="3" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at
3:33 PM, caroljohnson <<a
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href="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
target="_blank">[log in to unmask]</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"
size="3" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Well said! Thank you!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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David McCoard <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"
size="3" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Most of what I've
seen in other discussions on this list
regarding the President's plan has been people
blasting specific shortcomings. As Randy says,
that's easy and fun to do. But let's look at
his initiative as a whole. With a Congress
that's unlikely to pass meaningful global
warming measures, he's doing what he can on
his end.<br>
<br>
Stabilizing and then reducing the GHG content
of the astmosphere sufficiently and quickly
enough to avert disastrous climatic changes
would require immediate and radical steps
worldwide. At the same time, people of
developing countries, with rising standards of
living, understandably want the same cars and
appliances that we already have. <br>
<br>
Simply saying that what the President, or any
single country, can do by itself, is
insufficient to avert serious climatic changes
is to state the obvious. The climate
change has already begun and will continue
before it stabilizes, however quickly GHG
emissions can be cut. <br>
<br>
Dismissing all efforts as insufficient won't
help. What we need to do, and what the Club is
here for, is to do our part to reduce these
emissions as quickly as possible by<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<ul type="disc">
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level1 lfo3"><font face="Times New Roman"
size="3" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">raising public
conciousness,<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo3"><font face="Times New Roman"
size="3" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">advancing the
development of clean power sources and
industrial processes,<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo3"><font face="Times New Roman"
size="3" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">advancing energy
efficiency in buildings, daily activities
and industry,<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo3"><font face="Times New Roman"
size="3" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">encouraging more
modest lifestyles and economies that support
this (e.g., bringing consumerism under
control),<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo3"><font face="Times New Roman"
size="3" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">pushing governments
and people around the world to do the same,<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo3"><font face="Times New Roman"
size="3" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">encouraging the
phasing out of GHG-producing power supplies
as clean alternatives become sufficient, and<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo3"><font face="Times New Roman"
size="3" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">making sure our
individual lifestyles reflect these values.<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"
size="3" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> <br>
Dave<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman" size="3" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Date: Thu, 27 Jun
2013 13:15:52 -0400<br>
From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
target="_blank">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
Subject: Re: [GW-ACT-LEADERS] Fw: Obama's
Carbon Reduction Plan "Will Guarantee Global
Warming Disaster"<br>
To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
target="_blank">[log in to unmask]</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New
" size="3" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New
","serif"">I find myself
in the classic "glass half full / half
empty" dilemma with the response of the
environmental movement to Obama's
climate speech. The larger picture is
that we find ourselves in an overall
political situation where the Republican
Party and the Tea Party have taken the
wheels off the federal government. They
have implemented a strategy where if
they can't govern, no one will. They
are also utterly hostile to the
environment, to dealing with climate
change. Implacably so. So it is kind of
unfair being super hard on Obama, no
matter how much fun some people are
having doing so. I think anytime you
have someone in power addressing this
issue - however incompetently or
insincere they may be - it is a victory,
especially in light of the mass media's
boycott of the issue. It is a victory
for the climate aka fossil fuel
resistance as McKibben puts it. I
frankly think that the environmental
movement is illiterate when it comes to
American politics and the history of
American social change movements. If it
were not, its responses to the speech
would be much more realistic and
nuanced. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New
" size="3" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New
","serif"">Randy
Cunningham </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New
" size="3" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New
","serif"">NEO Sierra
Club.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New
","serif"">On Thu, Jun
27, 2013 at 12:31 PM, CRAIG L. <<a
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href="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New
" size="3" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New
","serif"">A
contrary view presented to Obama's
plan. Click on link to watch
video. I have also pasted the
transcript below.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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Obama's major
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delivered
Tuesday
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plans to
tackle climate
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style="color:black;text-decoration:none">We are now joined by Dr. Nafeez
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best-selling
author,
investigative
journalist,
and
international
security
scholar. He is
executive
director of
the Institute
for Policy
Research and
Development
and author of <i><span
style="font-style:italic">A User's Guide to the Crisis of Civilization</span></i>,
among other
books. He
writes for<i><span
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environmental,
energy, and
economic
crises on his
Earth Insight
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style="color:black;text-decoration:none">DR. NAFEEZ AHMED, DIRECTOR,
INSTITUTE FOR
POLICY
RESEARCH AND
DEVELOPMENT:
Thank you.</span></font><font
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color="black"><span
style="color:black;text-decoration:none">NOOR: So you just wrote a piece
about how
Obama's new
climate-change
strategy will
actually
guarantee
global warming
disaster. Can
you talk about
what you're
arguing?
Because if you
read what a
lot of his
supporters
that have been
critical of
his
environmental
policies say,
they say this
is a sharp
break from the
past, what
previous
administrations
have been
doing around
climate
change. What's
your response?</span></font><font
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color="black"><span
style="color:black;text-decoration:none">AHMED: Well, on one hand, I
agree and I
concede that
absolutely
this plan is
unprecedented
in the history
of the United
States. It's
the first time
we've had such
a
wide-ranging,
comprehensive
plan on the
environment,
and in that
sense it's to
be welcomed.
And there's a
lot of great
stuff in the
plan. So it
would be
foolish to
kind of say
that this
isn't a huge a
step forward.</span></font><font
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target="_blank"><font
color="black"><span
style="color:black;text-decoration:none">But I think we need to have a
reality check
about what
this plan
actually
means. And the
reality is is
that the
scientists are
saying is that
if you look at
the nature of
the pledges
that are being
put on the
table not only
by the United
States but
also by China,
also by
Europe, also
by the U.K.
and other
major powers,
unfortunately
they're just
not good
enough in
terms of
avoiding the
danger of
climate
catastrophe.
And the
problem is
that we have
accepted in
the
international
policymaking
circuit this
limit of
2 degrees
Celcius as a
maximum limit
for safe--for,
you know, what
is supposed to
be the safe
level of
warming, and
beyond that we
enter the
realm of
dangerous
climate
change.</span></font><font
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color="black"><span
style="color:black;text-decoration:none">Now, all the models are telling
us that even
if Obama's
plan goes
ahead with
everything
that it's
going to have
in it, that
still will not
be enough to
prevent us
from hitting
dangerous
climate change
within this
century and
having a
temperature
rise of
between
3 to 4 degrees
Celsius at
least,
according to
the most
conservative
models looking
at this
scenario of
implementation
of these
pledges, at
least. And
that means
once we get
into that
danger realm,
you're going
to trigger
these positive
feedbacks in
the Arctic, in
the Amazon
rain forest,
and other key
ecosystems,
which
themselves
will lead to
further
warming. And
that's really
the danger is
that once we
hit that
danger zone,
it's going to
get worse.</span></font><font
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color="black"><span
style="color:black;text-decoration:none">So my concern is really to look
at this from a
species level
point of view,
is that this
really is not
good for
humanity. We
need a lot
more. That's
the reality
check. I mean,
it's not about
Obama and his
character and
whether what
he's doing is
well
intentioned or
not well
intentioned.
I'm not really
bothered about
that. What I'm
worried about
is: are these
plans really
going to be
enough? But
unfortunately
they're not.</span></font><font
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color="black"><span
style="color:black;text-decoration:none">NOOR: Now, his supporters say
this
represents
progress, if
nothing else.
What's your
response?</span></font><font
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color="black"><span
style="color:black;text-decoration:none">AHMED: Of course it is
progress. I
mean, you'd
much rather
reduce
emissions to
some extent
than not
reduce them at
all. If we
didn't reduce
them at all,
it would be
even worse.</span></font><font
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color="black"><span
style="color:black;text-decoration:none">But, again, you know, this
is--when we
get involved
in the
political
games, you
know, it's the
environment
that's at
stake. For me,
as far as I'm
concerned, is:
does this
17 percent cut
actually deal
with the issue
of stopping us
from getting
into the realm
of dangerous
climate
change? It
doesn't. It
doesn't do
that.</span></font><font
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color="black"><span
style="color:black;text-decoration:none">And if you actually look at it
in comparison
to the 1990
level, there's
only 4 percent
cut, when you
look at it
from that
perspective.
So it really
isn't that
much of a huge
cut. It's
quite a modest
cut.</span></font><font
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color="black"><span
style="color:black;text-decoration:none">So, yeah, it's a good thing
that we've
committed to
something in
the United
States, but
it's just not
good enough.
And, you know,
this is
not--the
United States
is clearly not
alone in
having
pledged, you
know, modest
pledges which
don't go far
enough. You
know,
this--all of
the other
major powers
have done the
same thing.</span></font><font
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face="Georgia"
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif""><a
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target="_blank"><font
color="black"><span
style="color:black;text-decoration:none">What--it's worth bearing in
mind that the
United States
government
under the
Obama
administration
did play a
pretty heavy
role in really
effectively
sabotaging
international
negotiations.
And most
people in the
environment
movement are
quite aware of
this, that the
U.S. role in
recent
negotiations
in Cancun, in
Copenhagen,
was
effectively to
dilute them.
And it's
prevented
major powers
from reaching
emissions
pledges that
could have
been a lot
more drastic,
a lot more
effective.</span></font><font
face="Times New
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face="Georgia"
size="3" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif""><a
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target="_blank"><font
color="black"><span
style="color:black;text-decoration:none">So we're in this situation
where the
pledges that
we have are
just not going
to cut it, and
we are on this
trajectory,
even with
these pledges,
getting to
dangerous--a
really
worrying
danger zone
that, you
know, people
like NASA's
James Hansen
have warned
that this
could lead to
major positive
feedbacks,
which could
lead to
further
warming even
beyond what
the human
effect on the
planet is.</span></font><font
face="Times New
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style="font-family:"Times
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color="black"><span
style="color:black;text-decoration:none">NOOR: Now, a lot of climate
activists from
around the
world and in
the U.S. that
were
disappointed
by the Obama
administration's
approach to
the UN
conference of
parties you
referred to,
they focused
on the
Keystone XL
pipeline and
pressuring
President
Obama to
either delay
or block that
decision. Now,
he broke his
silence on
Keystone XL in
his speech,
saying he will
only approve
the pipeline
if it does not
significantly
exacerbate the
problem of
carbon
pollution.</span></font><font
face="Times New
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font
face="Georgia"
size="3" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif""><a
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target="_blank"><font
color="black"><span
style="color:black;text-decoration:none">Now, many of his supporters saw
this as hope
that he would
ultimately
decide to not
approve it.
But others,
including many
Republicans,
say that
because the
State
Department
already had a
review earlier
this year
which
concluded that
the Keystone
would not
raise carbon
pollution,
that this
means that
President
Obama will
actually in
fact go ahead
and approve
the
Keystone XL
pipeline. Can
you talk more
about this?</span></font><font
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font
face="Georgia"
size="3" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif""><a
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target="_blank"><font
color="black"><span
style="color:black;text-decoration:none">AHMED: Well, I think there's a
number of
issues here.
The first is
is really
that, you
know, it's
pretty clear
that the U.S.
government has
been aware
that there is
massive
opposition to
the Keystone
pipeline. And
it's worth
remembering
that it's
actually the
environment
movement that
has managed to
rally popular
outrage a lot
more
effectively
than other
social
movements in
recent years.
And the
Keystone
pipeline has
been a major
sticking point
for activists.
So this is
clearly
something the
government
would want to
address.</span></font><font
face="Times New
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font
face="Georgia"
size="3" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif""><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://premiere.whatcounts.com/t?r=1664&c=922658&l=36995&ctl=16D7199:2A1FDA641B5AB1CDB544D32927F18319EDC3615173C7E546&"
target="_blank"><font
color="black"><span
style="color:black;text-decoration:none">The second point I think that
is worth
bearing in
mind is that
the
Republicans
are making an
interesting
and valid
point by
noting that a
lot of the
processes and
planning
processes that
were in place
to examine and
decide whether
or not
Keystone
should happen
have already
happened, and
they've
happened
completely
outside of any
kind of public
arena or
Democratic
kind of
decision-making
process, you
know, that
we're now
seeing that,
you know, the
president is
kind of saying
that, oh,
we're going to
look at all of
these other
issues and we
still have yet
to make a
decision. But
why is it that
we do have
these
documents that
clearly say
the decisions
have been
made? There's
already been
investments
that have been
made. There's
already
been--there's
a very--I
mean, this
is--there's a
long litany of
documentation,
actually,
which shows
how entrenched
the U.S.
government
policy is on
Keystone. So I
would be wary
with assuming
that all of
that would
suddenly be
reversed.</span></font><font
face="Times New
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font
face="Georgia"
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif""><a
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target="_blank"><font
color="black"><span
style="color:black;text-decoration:none">Thirdly, I think one has to
assess what
Obama is
saying here
against his
track record
in relation to
other issues,
such as the
NDAA, such as
drone strikes,
such as the
NSA PRISM
issue. All of
these issues
show that
Obama is very
good at
mobilizing
very powerful
rhetoric which
can be quite
convincing and
in fact
effectively
diffuses and
confuses
potential
opposition to
his decisions,
to the
Democratic
Party, and so
on and so
forth. But in
fact what he
actually does
in practice
can often be
very, very
different. And
whether that's
a result of
him personally
or whether
it's because
of the
inevitable
structures of
power in which
he's operating
is, you know,
a debate that
we can have,
but the facts
do speak for
themselves
that Obama
often says
things that
his--and his
administration
tends to the
do the
opposite, and
that often
bears the
stamp of his
approval. I'm
concerned that
this could
happen again
in Keystone.</span></font><font
face="Times New
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif""><a
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target="_blank"><font
color="black"><span
style="color:black;text-decoration:none">Fourthly, and my last and final
point on this,
really, is to
look at
another
element of the
government's
track record
on this, which
is the shale
gas. And, you
know, we've
already--President
Obama already
said in his
speech that,
you know,
clearly
fracking and
exploitation
of shale gas
and oil is
going to be a
major part of
this apparent
environmental
strategy. And
this is
really, really
worrying,
'cause as I
point out in
my <i><span
style="font-style:italic">Guardian</span></i>article--and
I've
documented
this in more
detail in my
book--shale
gas is not the
clean bridge
fuel.
Peer-reviewed
scientific
studies show
that shale
gas, in the
process of
exploiting it,
releases
methane, which
is an even
more potent
greenhouse gas
than carbon
dioxide. And
because of
this, the
environmental
impact of
shale gas can
actually be
even worse
than
conventional
gas. And
according to
one
comprehensive
study in
climactic
change,
published in
2011, and
again in 2012
a further
updated study,
it's even
worse than
coal.</span></font><font
face="Times New
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style="font-family:"Times
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font
face="Georgia"
size="3" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif""><a
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target="_blank"><font
color="black"><span
style="color:black;text-decoration:none">So this is really worrying for
me. And the
fact that the
U.S.
government has
already signed
off on a
devastating
policy of
promoting
shale gas,
which we know
is going to
contribute to
further
greenhouse
gases, really
for me makes
me wonder how
much we can
trust the
judgment of
this
administration
in ensuring
that it
doesn't back
the Keystone
pipeline,
which we know,
according to
all the best
scientific
evidence, is
already and
will
contribute
immensely to
greenhouse
gases and also
other forms of
environmental
degradation.
So it's pretty
clear to me if
you look at
the
government's
track record
that this
doesn't--it's
not likely
that Obama's
just going to
say, hey,
Keystone can
go to hell.</span></font><font
face="Times New
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif""><a
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target="_blank"><font
color="black"><span
style="color:black;text-decoration:none">NOOR: And I wanted to ask you:
what challenge
does this
speech and his
rhetoric in
his speech
pose to the
same activists
that we talked
about that
were on the
front lines
committing
civil
disobedience,
making the
Keystone XL,
for example, a
key issue that
Obama had to
address? What
is their role
going to have
to be if
climate change
is addressed
in a way that
will prevent
global climate
disaster?</span></font><font
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font
face="Georgia"
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif""><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://premiere.whatcounts.com/t?r=1664&c=922658&l=36995&ctl=16D7199:2A1FDA641B5AB1CDB544D32927F18319EDC3615173C7E546&"
target="_blank"><font
color="black"><span
style="color:black;text-decoration:none">AHMED: In my view, I think we
have to keep
the pressure
up, more so
than ever
before. And I
think that's
the tactic. I
mean,
arguably--and
this is
perhaps a
cynical
perspective--but
I think based
on the track
record of
government so
far, it's not
unjustified
that the U.S.
government and
the Obama--you
know,
President
Obama himself,
I think, are
attempting to
really diffuse
dissent and to
really say,
look, guys,
you don't need
to be so
angry, you
don't need to
be so opposed
to what we're
doing, you can
trust us, you
can trust the
president, you
can trust the
decisions he's
going to make.
He's going to
do his due
diligence,
'cause he's a
father, I
mean, he's a
great guy, and
he loves the
environment,
and he'll do
anything for
the
environment.
That's the
message that
they're trying
to give out.</span></font><font
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font
face="Georgia"
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif""><a
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target="_blank"><font
color="black"><span
style="color:black;text-decoration:none">And the danger is that
activists are
going to
basically say,
well, you
know, we don't
really need to
worry so much
now, because
the president
himself has
signed off on
this amazing
strategy and
everything is
going to be
fine. And,
unfortunately,
it's not going
to be fine.
And whether or
not we accept
Obama's
statements at
face
value--and,
again, I
emphasize that
whatever my
personal
views, I'm
personally
very skeptical
of Obama's
policies and
the way he
presents them.
But whatever
one's view is,
the issue of
personality,
the issue of
his intentions
is not the
point here.
The point is
that in
reality, what
will the
impact of
these policies
be? The
science shows
the impact of
these policies
are not enough
and that we
are still on a
devastating
trajectory
with or
without these
current
pledges we
have on the
table. More
needs to be
done.</span></font><font
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif""><a
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target="_blank"><font
color="black"><span
style="color:black;text-decoration:none">The other issue, of course, is
that we need
to keep up the
pressure to
make sure that
we don't allow
the
environmental
movement to be
diffused or
confused by
these kind of
reassurances
and to say we
do need
change, we
need radical,
dramatic,
drastic
change. These
changes that
are put
forward in
this climate
plan, there
are many, many
positive
changes in
there which
people in the
environment
movement can
use and say,
look, these
are things
which are
being endorsed
by the
government,
this is the
thrust of the
kind of
changes that
we need to
see, but we
need more, we
need a lot
more. We need
a radical
systemic
change in our
societies, the
way our
economies
operate, and
of course the
way we do
politics. But
this is
something that
the
environment
movement needs
to really kind
of take
ownership
over.</span></font><font
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color="black"><span
style="color:black;text-decoration:none">NOOR: Thank you for joining us.</span></font><font
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style="color:black;text-decoration:none">AHMED: Thank you.</span></font><font
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style="color:black;text-decoration:none">NOOR: Thank you for joining us
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