I sold our acreage - would not lease to corn and beans - just hay Had corn and beans - too destructive to the soil - The big machines used are so destructive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Buell" <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 8:24:06 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: How much nitrate from fertilizer? My farms are farmed organically. No chemical fertilizers and higher net profit than "conventional". Don't be fooled. Donna On Jul 18, 2013, at 7:58 AM, Ronald Spears < [log in to unmask] > wrote: Many years ago we never used nitrates - we made money - what has changed? Was diversification the reason we were so successful? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve and Connie Swan" < [log in to unmask] > To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 11:06:53 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: How much nitrate from fertilizer? I do rotate my corn with soybeans. According to ISU extension one bushel of soybeans equates to one pound of nitrogen. ISU extension tells me I need 180 units of nitrogen per acre to optimize my yield. Last year I had 50 bushel per acre soybeans, I applied 130 units of nitrogen per acre before planting and got 15 inches of rain in May and June. Extension told me if I don’t apply more nitrogen I will lose money this year because the 15 inches of rain has washed my nitrogen away so I buy another 40 units of nitrogen. I would love nothing more than to be able to grow prairie grass. I even live near the ethanol plant in Emmetsburg which is running the cellulosic project called Project Liberty. They have even offered to buy my stover, but what they are willing to pay for the stover if I converted to prairie grasses wouldn’t even come close to what my rent is. It is far from being a perfect system, but it is what we have to work with. I could quit farming and move away but chances are the farmer that would take my place would have less of a land ethic than me and the problem would be worse. While regulations could alleviate the problem to an extent, and I personally wouldn’t have a problem with universal regulations dictating nitrogen application procedures, I don’t see them happening in today’s political climate. I could just hear the cries that foreigners would have the economic advantage. If I were a gambling man I would say that the best chance of a solution is technology. That’s what we as American’s do best. Whether it’s GM corn that fixes nitrogen or some sort of encapsulation that keeps the nitrogen where it is supposed to be, technology is probably our best hope. Steve Swan From: Iowa Discussion, Alerts and Announcements [mailto:IOWA- [log in to unmask] ] On Behalf Of Pat Knueven Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 7:43 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: How much nitrate from fertilizer? Wow. What an answer to a very serious problem. It sure sounds like more B S to me. Just tell Bill to go purchase another $14,000,000 de-nitrogen remover machine for us to pay for to have drinkable water. Self regulation really works great. -----Original Message----- From: Steve and Connie Swan < [log in to unmask] > To: IOWA-TOPICS < [log in to unmask] > Sent: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:41 pm Subject: Re: How much nitrate from fertilizer? As a farmer perhaps I can add some insight into this issue. Corn is the crop that generates the most income on my operation and while it is possible for some operators to produce alternative crops like hay or vegetables, the economies of production demand that corn be grown in Iowa. There are three primary methods of applying nitrogen in Iowa. Anhydrous ammonia can be applied in the fall and with the use of some “preservative” additives this can be a pretty good method. Anhydrous ammonia can be spring applied before planting as can either ammonium nitrate which is a white salt like solid or a urea liquid solution which is a combination of ammonium nitrate and urea. All three forms of nitrogen can also be applied after the crop is growing. The application of these products before planting in the spring is probably the most common method in Iowa. If the soil does not become over saturated after application the majority of the nitrate stays put and is used by the corn crop. Perhaps the best management practice for nitrogen application is to apply some before the corn is planted and the rest after the corn is growing. The split application minimizes the chances of nitrates leaving the field but this can be challenging as adverse weather can prevent later applications not to mention the fact that additional applications cost money. This spring we had extremely wet weather which has resulted in very high nitrate levels in the rivers. As to answering Tom’s question as to where the nitrates are coming from I would suggest that if you could find a graph of nitrate levels in the river water over time you would get a pretty good idea of where it is coming from. Being that most of the fertilizer is in place by late spring or early summer one would expect that the portion of the contribution would fall off through the rest of the year. I did a little searching and was unable to find any good charts documenting nitrate levels on a short enough time scale to implicate agriculture although I am sure that data of that time scale is available. My gut instinct is that the majority of the problem we are seeing in Iowa this year is due to corn production. What can be done? Later applications of nitrogen would surely help but these also add expense that the farmer has to incur in extra passes and equipment. My personal fantasy would be some kind of encapsulated form of nitrogen that could be applied before planting but would release on a time schedule regardless of moisture conditions so that the crop could be fed as needed. I have not heard of any such research happening but who knows? I once asked an agronomist if he thought that a corn plant would ever be created that could fix its own nitrogen but he replied that the energy demands of nitrogen fixation would ensure that such a plant was not competitive with more traditional types of corn. Perhaps the simplest short term solution would be to have waterworks increase their treatment capacity. Corn production is not perfect by any means, but it does work well in Iowa and it does contribute greatly to the state’s economy. The ultimate answer is probably a combination of all factors contributing a little to hopefully get things to a manageable level. Steve Swan From: Iowa Discussion, Alerts and Announcements [ mailto:[log in to unmask] ] On Behalf Of Pam Mackey-Taylor Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 1:11 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: How much nitrate from fertilizer? Is this a question that could be answered by someone at the Des Moines Waterworks -- Linda Kinman or Bill Stowe? pam -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Mathews, CIG < [log in to unmask] > To: IOWA-TOPICS < [log in to unmask] > Sent: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:05 pm Subject: How much nitrate from fertilizer? I haven't seen an answer yet to the question in my posting yesterday, so I assume no one noticed it. So I'll ask again, and rephrase it: How much of the nitrate that is being removed from the Des Moines water supply originates from factory farms, and how much comes from farm field runoff from ammonium nitrate and other nitrate fertilizer applications? Is it, say, 5% from factory farms and 95% from fertilizer applications other than hog manure? 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